with that. and because of that, i was able to do that, our secretary of commerce, ron brown, asked me if i would chair at the 50th anniversary of the united nations the africa lunch which the u.s. was doing at that time. which i did. he said if you can do that, then you can take care of anything else, bill. so, i mean, there have been a lot of people. you mentioned secretaries of treasuries here in the united states, certainly the various heads of the fed and central bankers i think worldwide. i think one of the things that we need to see more of getting to the point that i know you wanted me to talk about is we need the leadership. and we haven't seen the tough leadership in europe that we need to see to get out of crises. we were very lucky in the case of the latin american debt crisis that we had paul volcker at the fed, and we had jacques dela rosier at the international monetary fund. and, you know, because the world -- people forget now, it was so long ago, in the early '80s it was about to go under. in fact, they compared it to moving deck chairs on the titanic. and that worked out.